Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/13/2002 01:12 PM House JUD

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HB 375 - REVISOR'S BILL                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0088                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 375,  "An Act making corrective  amendments to                                                               
the Alaska  Statutes as recommended  by the revisor  of statutes;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0099                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOE  GREEN, Alaska State Legislature,  speaking as                                                               
the  chair  of  the  Legislative  Council,  sponsor  of  HB  375,                                                               
mentioned that  the committee  may wish to  address two  or three                                                               
points in  the bill, one of  which pertains to an  amendment made                                                               
during a House floor session last year.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PAM FINLEY,  Revisor of Statutes, Legislative  Counsel, Legal and                                                               
Research  Services Division,  Legislative  Affairs Agency  (LAA),                                                               
with regard  to Section 2, explained  that last year there  was a                                                               
"floor  amendment" [to  HB 210]  that  affected AS  09.10.060(c).                                                               
Before the  floor amendment, that statute  contained a three-year                                                               
statute of limitations on civil  actions for certain sexual abuse                                                               
claims.  The  floor amendment removed the  statute of limitations                                                               
on [felony  sexual assault  and felony sexual  abuse of  a minor]                                                               
crimes.    However,  originally AS  09.10.060(c)  also  contained                                                               
reference  to [misdemeanor  sexual abuse  and misdemeanor  sexual                                                               
abuse of a  minor] crimes; when it was repealed  and reenacted by                                                               
the  floor amendment  to HB  210, an  unintended consequence  was                                                               
that the reference  to those misdemeanor crimes -  which also had                                                               
three-year civil statute of limitations - was removed as well.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY said:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     When the floor  amendment came in and  referred only to                                                                    
     felony  [sexual  abuse and  sexual  abuse  of a  minor]                                                                    
     crimes, those  misdemeanors fell  back, as nearly  as I                                                                    
     can tell, into the  two-year statute of limitations for                                                                    
     torts in  general.  That  was not a problem,  but there                                                                    
     was  another statute,  which  was  actually expanded  -                                                                    
     what used  to be the three-year  statute of limitations                                                                    
     and  which no  longer works  because it's  no longer  a                                                                    
     three-year  statute of  limitations  for  all of  those                                                                    
     cases  -  and  that  is  the one  that  is  amended  in                                                                    
     [Section 2, AS 09.10.140(b)].                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     It  says an  action based  on a  claim of  sexual abuse                                                                    
     under AS 09.55.650  -- and if you go to  650, there are                                                                    
     a lot  of sexual abuse cases  there.  Most of  them are                                                                    
     felonies,  a  few  of  them   are  misdemeanors.    The                                                                    
     felonies --  that's really  no longer  relevant because                                                                    
     there  is no  statute of  limitations for  felonies any                                                                    
     more.  However  -- so that is why I  added this:  "that                                                                    
     is  not otherwise  allowed under  AS 09.10.060(c)",  to                                                                    
     make it  clear that  if any of  those 650  sexual abuse                                                                    
     crimes  are felonies  and covered  by  060(c), this  is                                                                    
     irrelevant  because there's  no statute  of limitations                                                                    
     at all.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0411                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  why that  necessitated a  change                                                               
from three years to two years as is proposed by Section 2.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FINLEY  said she  believed  it  is  because the  statute  of                                                               
limitations for  those misdemeanors  listed in [AS  09.55.650] is                                                               
now two  years due to  the floor  amendment.  Although  the floor                                                               
amendment  said that  any  [felony  sexual abuse  of  a minor  or                                                               
felony sexual assault crimes] has  no statute of limitations, the                                                               
question remains:   What is the civil statute  of limitations for                                                               
misdemeanor  [sexual  abuse  of  a minor  or  misdemeanor  sexual                                                               
assault] crimes?                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ noted  that  the intent  of that  floor                                                               
amendment to  HB 210 was to  lift the statute of  limitations for                                                               
felony  [sexual  abuse  of  a minor  or  felony  sexual  assault]                                                               
crimes,   not  to   change  the   statute   of  limitations   for                                                               
misdemeanors.  He added that  the standing statute of limitations                                                               
for misdemeanors, prior to the  enactment of the floor amendment,                                                               
was three years.   Thus, he opined, there is no  reason for it to                                                               
revert to a two-year statute of limitations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY explained that since  the floor amendment repealed and                                                               
reenacted AS  09.10.060(c), there is  no longer any  reference to                                                               
those misdemeanor crimes nor a statute of limitations for them.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked whether  the committee was free to                                                               
amend HB 297.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY  indicated that the committee  could do so as  long as                                                               
"we're not making policy decisions.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  surmised,  then,  that  the  committee                                                               
could amend  Section 2  so that  it said  three years  instead of                                                               
two.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY  said that would  be fine  except that the  problem is                                                               
that Section  2 does not  set a  statute of limitations  at three                                                               
years;  instead,   it  is   an  exception   to  the   statute  of                                                               
limitations.   She  said that  she  would be  perfectly happy  to                                                               
remove  Section 2  from HB  375 if  the legislature  would rather                                                               
address  this   issue  in  a   comprehensive  manner   via  other                                                               
legislation.   She  mentioned that  she would  prefer the  latter                                                               
because  AS 09.10.060(c)  no longer  defines sexual  abuse, which                                                               
also causes her concern.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  mentioned  that  the  House  Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee already has a full calendar.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said he would  be willing to  report HB
375 from committee and allow Ms. Finley to fix it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0647                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   OGAN   asked   whether    there   might   be   a                                                               
constitutional  problem  with amending  HB  375  if [Article  II,                                                               
Section  13] could  be  interpreted to  mean  that revisor  bills                                                               
cannot address policy issues.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY  said yes; "I  don't like  to have anything  that sets                                                               
policy in  a revisor's bill for  that reason" as well  as others.                                                               
Legislation addressing  policy ought to  get a different  kind of                                                               
review  than  revisor's  bills  get,   she  added.    Ms.  Finley                                                               
reiterated that  she would be  happy to  remove Section 2  if the                                                               
committee wants  to focus on  this issue in a  more comprehensive                                                               
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked whether removing Section  2 would reinstate                                                               
a three-year statute of limitations.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FINLEY said  that even  if Section  2 were  amended to  read                                                               
three  years instead  of two  years,  there is  not a  three-year                                                               
statute of limitations elsewhere.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  surmised that  Ms. Finley's  recommendation would                                                               
be to  remove Section 2  from HB 375 and  use a separate  bill to                                                               
address  the issue  of a  civil statute  of limitations  on these                                                               
misdemeanor crimes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGAN noted  that  there is  other sexual  assault                                                               
legislation that  might serve  as a  vehicle for  addressing this                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FINLEY  noted that  the  revisor's  bill is  usually  passed                                                               
fairly early  in the session so  that other bills that  amend the                                                               
same  sections encompassed  in the  revisor's bill  will override                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN mentioned  that if  Section 2  were removed                                                               
and no other legislation were  passed to address the issue, there                                                               
would be no statute of limitations on these misdemeanor crimes.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG surmised,  then, that it would be  better to leave                                                               
Section 2  as is, and  then if  other legislation is  passed that                                                               
addresses this issue, it would override Section 2.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0921                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY then  referred to Section 6 and said  that it corrects                                                               
what originally  might have been a  typographical error regarding                                                               
a reference  to the federal  food stamp program, which  has since                                                               
expanded beyond  7 U.S.C. 2025.   She mentioned that if  she were                                                               
to attempt  to fix  that reference  this year,  she would  try to                                                               
include  all of  the federal  statutory references  pertaining to                                                               
the food  stamp program.  Or,  she added, she could  simply do it                                                               
next year in another revisor's bill.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   mentioned  that   alternatively,  the                                                               
committee  could simply  track  HB  375 as  it  goes through  the                                                               
Senate to  ensure that  Section 6 is  altered appropriately.   He                                                               
noted that another  option would be to amend Section  6 of HB 375                                                               
during a House floor session.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY  added that another  possibility would be to  have the                                                               
House  Rules Standing  Committee propose  a committee  substitute                                                               
(CS).                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG called an at-ease from 1:27 p.m. to 1:29 p.m.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY, with regard to the  food stamp issue, said that it is                                                               
really up  to the  committee; if the  committee wants  to suggest                                                               
that Section 6  include references up through 7  U.S.C. 2036, she                                                               
could do  that.  Or,  if the  committee preferred, she  said that                                                               
Section 6  could remain  intact until  she pinpointed  just which                                                               
references should be included.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  mentioned  that   the  committee  could  make  a                                                               
conceptual amendment.   He asked  Ms. Finley what  her preference                                                               
would be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY said that since it  is merely a citation that would be                                                               
altered, a conceptual amendment ought to be sufficient.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY  then drew  the committee's  attention to  Sections 12                                                               
and  13, and  noted that  these  sections pertain  to the  Alaska                                                               
Commission on Aging (ACoA).   She explained that she had received                                                               
a note  from [the ACoA]  asking for more  time in which  to study                                                               
the ramifications  of Sections 12 and  13.  Ms. Finley  said that                                                               
should [the  ACoA] oppose these  sections, they could  be removed                                                               
via a House Rules Standing Committee CS.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1193                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FINLEY  then  referred  to  Section 1  and  said  it  simply                                                               
reflects what the revisors have been  doing for at least 16 years                                                               
in situations in which legislation  has a specific effective date                                                               
but  doesn't  take  effect  until after  that  date  because  the                                                               
governor  doesn't  sign  it,  the governor  signs  it  after  the                                                               
effective  date, or  the veto  is overridden.   And  although her                                                               
predecessor treated  those situations in  the manner laid  out in                                                               
Section 1, she opined that it  really should be stated in statute                                                               
since "that  is what we  are doing."   She mentioned that  a bill                                                               
passed last year has engendered  litigation regarding this issue,                                                               
but added  that Section 1  would not  affect the outcome  of that                                                               
litigation; it would  simply be placing in  statute the procedure                                                               
followed thus  far.   She relayed  that that  litigation revolves                                                               
around a man  who was arrested the day after  the governor signed                                                               
a bill that  extended the look-back provision from  five years to                                                               
ten years.   The defendant  has asserted that since  the governor                                                               
signed the bill after the effective  date listed in the bill, the                                                               
effective date would revert to 90 days after being signed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  whether  Section 1  is  making  a  policy                                                               
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FINLEY said  that  it  is merely  putting  into statute  the                                                               
current practice;  there is  no actual change  to how  things are                                                               
done.   In  response to  further  questions, she  said that  this                                                               
practice was not instituted because of  case law; it is simply an                                                               
administrative fiat  because "the bills  come out and we  have to                                                               
put an effective date on them, and that's what we've done."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked  whether the legislature shouldn't                                                               
simply  wait and  see what  the courts  determine with  regard to                                                               
this issue.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG said, "No, this is our bailiwick."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  pointed out that the  legislature might                                                               
like what  the court arrives at  or that the court  might suggest                                                               
something that inspires  the legislature to act  accordingly.  He                                                               
opined that  it would be  prudent to see  what the courts  had to                                                               
say before  something is  placed in statute  that may  later turn                                                               
out to be in conflict.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG said  he could  accept that  argument in  certain                                                               
circumstances but not  with regard to the  legislature's power to                                                               
stipulate  an  effective date.    He  then  asked Ms.  Finley  to                                                               
confirm that Section 1 would not  have any impacts on the ongoing                                                               
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1456                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY  said that there  would certainly be no  legal impact,                                                               
adding that in that particular  case, she has already provided an                                                               
affidavit regarding how such a  situation has been handled in the                                                               
past.   She suggested that the  court would most likely  rule one                                                               
of two  ways; either the  legislation takes affect the  day after                                                               
being signed, or after the 90 days has elapsed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES opined  that the court would  be most likely                                                               
rule in favor of the current practice.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  said that the court  probably would, particularly                                                               
if it is placed in statute via Section 1 of HB 375.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN said he wanted  to applaud Ms. Finley for all                                                               
her work on the arduous job of revising the statutes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FINLEY, in  response to  a question,  clarified that  in the                                                               
aforementioned  litigation, the  defendant  was  arrested on  the                                                               
effective date,  which started  at 12:01 a.m.  the day  after the                                                               
legislation was signed into law.   She added that the time of day                                                               
a law becomes effective is specified in Section 1 of HB 375.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FINLEY,  returning to the  issue of  Section 6, asked:   "Did                                                               
the committee  want a  CS on  the conceptual  amendment expanding                                                               
the food stamp [citation] or not?"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  noted that  the committee  had not  yet addressed                                                               
that issue but would discuss it now.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN surmised  that any change to  Section 6 would                                                               
not be  changing policy;  rather, such a  change would  simply be                                                               
conforming the  statute to reflect the  proper federal citations,                                                               
and would be well within Ms. Finley's purview.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG   suggested  that  the  committee   refrain  from                                                               
amending Section  6 at this time,  and asked that as  HB 375 goes                                                               
through  the process,  Ms. Finley  report back  to the  committee                                                               
with any recommendations for appropriate changes.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN added that any  changes could be made before                                                               
HB 375 is reported from the House Rules Standing Committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1722                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ moved to report  HB 375 out of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
note.   There being no  objection, HB  375 was reported  from the                                                               
House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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